sweden said no to the empire
category: general [glöplog]
my englishskills in this field sucks as most others, but i will give it a shot
although the national bank in sweden cant be controlled by politicans directly, its goals can be changed with an election inbetween. after 2 weeks we are able to read the banks protocols, as opposed to the 70 years the protocols of ecb are classified. ecb is based on liberal ideas which have proved to be good at keeping inflation low but not at keeping employment high. having the same interest rate all over europe doesnt seem like a good idea to me, germany and ireland are hardly in the same economical phase but still have to try to make things work out with the same interest rate.
ecb and eu have several times suggested that sweden should cut down the social sector, reducing the amount of money that goes to hospitals etc. a large part of the women in sweden work in this sector or finds it important. those voted no, as opposed to the older wealthy men who finds other things important voted yes. perhaps they'll change their minds when they care of elders have been privatized.
the womens no to emu was ofcourse interpreted in a very insulting way, that they are afraid of change and more careful than men.
the rules about instability decides how negative the finances of the state are allowed to be, so instead of getting in debt things have to be cut down during bad economical times, things like social security most likely. unions in sweden wanted economical buffers , but this wasnt approved. probably because the politicans didnt want people to realize that emu is a shaky project. if a country doesnt follow the rules of stability they will be fined, france who have already broken the rules have already stated that they dont care about this
and those who regard equality between men and women high probably dont like that ecb is controlled by 17 men and one woman.
if this was only a choise of currency, emu wouldnt be a big deal but this involves a lot of more important things.
i'm not that interested in politics and these are just things i read in magazines, seen on tv and heard on the radio. a politically active person like taper/triad who has been involved in 'no to emu' campaign could probably say things much better and give much more information. dont think that would be of any use though, since people here seem to have as little respect for people's opinions as our politicans who are now working very hard at finding out whats wrong with the voters, instead of listening to their opinons.
and if you think that the same currency brings peace, there are several examples in the world with ongoing conflicts that speaks against this
although the national bank in sweden cant be controlled by politicans directly, its goals can be changed with an election inbetween. after 2 weeks we are able to read the banks protocols, as opposed to the 70 years the protocols of ecb are classified. ecb is based on liberal ideas which have proved to be good at keeping inflation low but not at keeping employment high. having the same interest rate all over europe doesnt seem like a good idea to me, germany and ireland are hardly in the same economical phase but still have to try to make things work out with the same interest rate.
ecb and eu have several times suggested that sweden should cut down the social sector, reducing the amount of money that goes to hospitals etc. a large part of the women in sweden work in this sector or finds it important. those voted no, as opposed to the older wealthy men who finds other things important voted yes. perhaps they'll change their minds when they care of elders have been privatized.
the womens no to emu was ofcourse interpreted in a very insulting way, that they are afraid of change and more careful than men.
the rules about instability decides how negative the finances of the state are allowed to be, so instead of getting in debt things have to be cut down during bad economical times, things like social security most likely. unions in sweden wanted economical buffers , but this wasnt approved. probably because the politicans didnt want people to realize that emu is a shaky project. if a country doesnt follow the rules of stability they will be fined, france who have already broken the rules have already stated that they dont care about this
and those who regard equality between men and women high probably dont like that ecb is controlled by 17 men and one woman.
if this was only a choise of currency, emu wouldnt be a big deal but this involves a lot of more important things.
i'm not that interested in politics and these are just things i read in magazines, seen on tv and heard on the radio. a politically active person like taper/triad who has been involved in 'no to emu' campaign could probably say things much better and give much more information. dont think that would be of any use though, since people here seem to have as little respect for people's opinions as our politicans who are now working very hard at finding out whats wrong with the voters, instead of listening to their opinons.
and if you think that the same currency brings peace, there are several examples in the world with ongoing conflicts that speaks against this
Hollowman: check your numbers before typing.....
Oh, and remove the rights for women voting.
Oh, and remove the rights for women voting.
yes, most wars are civil wars, however, the argument that the euro is to prevent wars in europe is just stupid. though, east-europe will be the third world within euroland and will see great growth. which will make their economies more stable. but this can happen without the euro aswell and its not what the euro is about.
in a region that shares the same currency there will always be areas that are richer or poorer than other areas. to balance this the poorer regions have subsidaries and economical support from the government. in sweden there is also a system where rich areas are obligated to share their welth with the poorer areas. within such a region there is also the fact that ppl will have to move to find new jobs, even in sweden the balancing system cant balance this factor out, the working force must be mobile to find employment, this will not happen within euroland, we as citizen of eu have all the right to do so, but the actual movement of workforce is near to none. in the U.S. however it is my guess that this isnt a problem, since they all share the same language and non-culture. the euro is a shaky project.
however, the eu is a great tool on the international scene, a stronger united voice that speaks for european ideals. ideals regarding international law, the prevention of war (even those faught by us&uk) and so on. i would love to see norway in the eu, though i guess you wont be able to vote for just eu without also saying yes to emu.
in a region that shares the same currency there will always be areas that are richer or poorer than other areas. to balance this the poorer regions have subsidaries and economical support from the government. in sweden there is also a system where rich areas are obligated to share their welth with the poorer areas. within such a region there is also the fact that ppl will have to move to find new jobs, even in sweden the balancing system cant balance this factor out, the working force must be mobile to find employment, this will not happen within euroland, we as citizen of eu have all the right to do so, but the actual movement of workforce is near to none. in the U.S. however it is my guess that this isnt a problem, since they all share the same language and non-culture. the euro is a shaky project.
however, the eu is a great tool on the international scene, a stronger united voice that speaks for european ideals. ideals regarding international law, the prevention of war (even those faught by us&uk) and so on. i would love to see norway in the eu, though i guess you wont be able to vote for just eu without also saying yes to emu.
pegasus, feel free to correct me, i only typed down as i remembered from the last months of debate, but if i only got some figures wrong then it doesnt matter, as my opinion is based on what kind of country i want to live in, and what things i consider important in life
"however, the eu is a great tool on the international scene, a stronger united voice that speaks for european ideals."
now please explain the similarities in:
* Swedens ideal
* Italys ideal
* Englands ideal
now please explain the similarities in:
* Swedens ideal
* Italys ideal
* Englands ideal
arnweisse: right.
the major parties in most of europe's countries are socialistic with a dedication for environmental policy. the internal differences are slim compared to the differences with countries outside of europe. the european states share their views on issues such as the international court of war criminals, the kyoto agreement, and so on. but of course, there are also seperate opinions within the eu, as we saw before the attack on iraq for example.
i wouldnt really call blair socialistic, its like calling the democrats in usa for socialists..
i wouldnt call italy a democracy.
we dont have splitted opinions , we have splitted cultures, thats all :) wich ofcourse means we are nothing like each other, even if we live close to eachother..
i wouldnt call italy a democracy.
we dont have splitted opinions , we have splitted cultures, thats all :) wich ofcourse means we are nothing like each other, even if we live close to eachother..
Isn't that rather cheap to call italy "not a democracy" ?
erm, just take a look at what type of demos that arneweisse likes.
Well, a country ruled by a man that also owns the biggest media-companies and broadcasting-companies... do you sincerly think that he doesnt use this to his favour??? There for.. Italy cant be considered a democrazy.. Corect me if I am wrong, but didnt Iraq have an ellection where you only could choose Saddam?? (or was it some other obscure country such as Cuba? :)
PegasuS it may cause a problem to democracy, but as long as people still vote and are not bullied to vote one or the other way, it is insulting to tell them they are not living in a democracy. What *the fuck* is wrong with you people to compare italy under berlusconi (as disgusting as he may be) to iraq under hussein.
Someone stating that Mussolini didnt DO anything BAD during WW2 DOES deserve to BE compared to other "bad" guys. geeez, get a grip.
you must not know the difference between words and acts.
The situation is similar in sweden where the Wallenberg financial family is controlling 60-70% of the stockmarket, however this isnt spoken about in the open. They are able to do this with "A-stocks", special stocks that gives them up to 1000 times the votes of normal "B-stocks". Even though the Wallenergs dont directly control the political power as with berlusconi in Italy they have a history of close cooperation with the social democratic party and Bonniers, the larges media owner. This stock-system will _hopefully_ have to change as Sweden gets more intergrated into europe.
I belive there are many factors involved that can explain the swedish no-vote to the european monetary union. Sweden both geographically and culturally has several differences from the rest of europe. We can compare with England, both Sweden and England are protestant. I am not saying religion is a big deal in politics nowdays but historically both Sweden and England has had a slight disdain for
what may have been percived as the pompous orthodox ways of mainland europe. To say that the EU is similar to the USA is absurd. The USA was created by war heroes and people with charater in the spirit of the enlightement while the EU is even talked about in media as 'a project' -- 'is it a neo-liberal/capitalist project or a socialist project?'... It sounds like they are talking about some kind of test-prototype-union led by a bunch of self-important clowns that aside from making desicions about thier own salaries also decide about things like the size of tomatoes and bananas and they dont answer to anyone except the european comission who is headed by that half-idiot Prodi.
What im trying to say is: there are lots of 'socialists' and 'capitalists' in the union trying to pass laws to thier advantages but where are the _europeans_.
Who are the great leades to lead this union, i heard that we now have a EU president, but i dont even know who it is. It is clear that the EU leaders are tired of bureocracy, and this is good, however it seems that they are trying to replace it with some kind of social-chattering club where they joke and laugh. This is why some countries have problems to relate to EU.
I belive there are many factors involved that can explain the swedish no-vote to the european monetary union. Sweden both geographically and culturally has several differences from the rest of europe. We can compare with England, both Sweden and England are protestant. I am not saying religion is a big deal in politics nowdays but historically both Sweden and England has had a slight disdain for
what may have been percived as the pompous orthodox ways of mainland europe. To say that the EU is similar to the USA is absurd. The USA was created by war heroes and people with charater in the spirit of the enlightement while the EU is even talked about in media as 'a project' -- 'is it a neo-liberal/capitalist project or a socialist project?'... It sounds like they are talking about some kind of test-prototype-union led by a bunch of self-important clowns that aside from making desicions about thier own salaries also decide about things like the size of tomatoes and bananas and they dont answer to anyone except the european comission who is headed by that half-idiot Prodi.
What im trying to say is: there are lots of 'socialists' and 'capitalists' in the union trying to pass laws to thier advantages but where are the _europeans_.
Who are the great leades to lead this union, i heard that we now have a EU president, but i dont even know who it is. It is clear that the EU leaders are tired of bureocracy, and this is good, however it seems that they are trying to replace it with some kind of social-chattering club where they joke and laugh. This is why some countries have problems to relate to EU.
DOH!
in last few years Europe came in bigtime. and its getting more and more boring/clean/unified here.. now, we'll join EU next year. guess i'll have to move to Russia finally:D although they dont have style, instead they're having way too much men in uniforms all around
