Demoscene vs. Processing vs. Motion Design
category: general [glöplog]
loaderror: You forgot that we have computers which can beat their computers.
But... who cares? Just make demos and other cool stuff!
But... who cares? Just make demos and other cool stuff!
who cares? Just make demos and other cool stuff!
i think that loady just wrote one of the best descriptions of the scene ever. axel/evilpaul, put it on that bitfellas page!
This depends on the product too, however. As a good example, Flash is such a "someone else's closed software product". However, in many ways Flash is comparable to an old computer with weird hardware accel features. You get some certain amount of sensible processing power (i.e. the scripting language is slow), certain ways of putting stuff on screen (generating a picture, doing stuff with vectors/spleens, etc), and that's it. The flash player isn't so different from many hw emulators.
Also, don't forget that all hardware platforms there ever was a decent scene on are all closed as well.
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The problem of viewing someone else's closed software product as your platform is that there will be limits that you can't overcome, and you're completely at their mercy.
This depends on the product too, however. As a good example, Flash is such a "someone else's closed software product". However, in many ways Flash is comparable to an old computer with weird hardware accel features. You get some certain amount of sensible processing power (i.e. the scripting language is slow), certain ways of putting stuff on screen (generating a picture, doing stuff with vectors/spleens, etc), and that's it. The flash player isn't so different from many hw emulators.
Also, don't forget that all hardware platforms there ever was a decent scene on are all closed as well.
sure, there always has to be standardization, which usually means using a commercial product. That's why we can't use the "free, real man OS", and we have more GBA demos than GP32 demos, despite the lack of an official devkit. Some limits are worse than others - I mean these closed architecture 2D monitors! It'd be so much easier to do 3D if I didn't have to project everything down onto a 2D surface, but I can live with that. : D
who cares? Just make demos and other cool stuff!
who cares? Just make demos and other cool stuff! - or don't. who cares?
this actually ended up being a rather interesting thread, but...
who cares? Just make demos and other cool stuff! And remember kids that the scene isn't youtube.
who cares? Just make demos and other cool stuff! And remember kids that the scene isn't youtube.
who cares? Just make demos and other cool stuff!
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- The people who win the compos sometimes sleep in garbage or on the toilet
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Quote:- The people who win the compos sometimes sleep in garbage or on the toilet
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Actually, after I stopped sleeping in garbage I also stopped winning compos!
I don't understand any of this.
slummy: these subtle, seemingly random, laws of the universe that governs our lives are in rare occasions laid flat out in front of us. Treasure this moment of insight and tell your grandchildren.
hmm. processing might be the replacement for AMOS I've been searching for actually!
Re: mac motion graphics...
Processing and motion desing ,vjing... just imitate demoscene art.
Processing and motion desing ,vjing... just imitate demoscene art.
well, demoscene rarely touches topics such as interactivity (except for a space bar), randomness etc...
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That's why we can't use the "free, real man OS", and we have more GBA demos than GP32 demos, despite the lack of an official devkit.
I don't know about GP32, but besides the internal hardware being exactly the same in all iterations of the machine, it has fantastic documentation (GBATEK) and very good tutorials (Cearn).
While it lacks an official devkit, the current leading compiler toolchain, DevkitARM, is very very polished (and many GP32 developers use it too).
There is a nearly cycle-perfect emulator (no$gba) which runs full framerate at extremely crappy computers (and WINE), and which also has a very polished debugger version (costs €15 though). For free debugging, you can also use Visualboy Advance, but it is less featureful.
A proffesional GBA (now DS) developer on the GBAdev forum actually regularly whines about that the tools he is forced to use are worse than what is available to homebrewers.
The system itself is inexpensive, and rewriteable cartridges and cheap storage adapters (mini SD, etc) are very easy to get your hands on online. A fullfledged development system (Used GBA + New Homebrew Cartridge + Software) can be obtained for as little as €50 if you look around - I see SP's priced as low as €20 on my national used-stuff website right now. I don't see any GP32's or GP2X's at all.
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Processing and motion desing ,vjing... just imitate demoscene art.
nope. VJing, for instance, doesn't have much to do with the demoscene. completely different concept.
plus the imitation goes a lot in the other direction..
YOU CAN'T BUY THE DEMOSCENE.
..and I think that's the main difference :)
For the record, one of the Processing guru´s speaks about demoscene:
http://postspectacular.com/process/start
http://postspectacular.com/process/start
toxi ftw!
Then we have flight404 once again... it's funny that an "outsider" finally achieved this way of commercialising demos (I know some demosceners who tried before him).
http://www.flight404.com/blog/?p=151
Then we have flight404 once again... it's funny that an "outsider" finally achieved this way of commercialising demos (I know some demosceners who tried before him).
http://www.flight404.com/blog/?p=151
