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aha yes

iblis: on the contrary i'm talking about a totally decentralized scene, which need a flagsite like pouet to be open and welcoming so that all the various scenes can express themselves and that outer people can find information & answers and feel at ease to talk to passionated people.

to my eyes the scene is far bigger than the orthodox demoscene.

Fool, dont be a troll and youll find Pouet as warm and welcoming as the people behind the digital identities are. But if you go on a blaming brawl in the midst of something that works for the people involved with it, you can expect ridicule...at best.

zest: but pouet is a demoscene site. so are you perhaps in the wrong place?

don't misquote me, i said "orthodox demoscene" :p

for example (just a small non exhaustive example) i wish pouet will harbour interactive demos or experimental stuff like 0rel's in the next years.

who do you suggest should make those?

i don't.

smash : he probably means a website where he can post his endless random pictures and lolcatz on scene threads without having sceners complain :)

Also, a website on which he could post and write about his numerous amazing new demoscene ideas that people would create, not him.

I'm quite sure that pouet will harbor it, if someone makes it and it's relevant in some way in the demoscene context (ie. not some random Processing program). Note that both Icons and Altparty have allowed and encouraged dynamic/interactive demos, but few people have actually delivered them to the compos.

Pouet will habour any demo or intro sceners put on it. Interactive demos was done to death on Amiga and c64. In some you could control the movements of a 3d scene with the joystick, others had hidden parts where you had to click somewhere at the exact right time, insert the 2nd disk and sing the 1st verse god bless the queen and then something would happen. You could control scrollers, dots, tunnels, in demo menus etc.. What you are suggesting was "teh shizniz!" 18 years ago.

keops: so if you can't do it you don't talk about it ?

yet again that's such a retrograde egocentric point of view. Why would technical/philosophical/critical/nonsensical debates on a web board be such a crime to your eyes ? o_O

guys be open. and live in the cybercentury.


(and make open gamedesign! but that's an off-topic subject :p)

sorry zest, the 'cybercentury' ended in 1998. Welcome to THE FUTURE

(it is now, you know?)

iblis and preacher: wait it's just the beginning, new motion or music controllers are arriving everyday, and are perfect toys for geek coders :)

yes you can talk about it, you can come with suggestions, you can even review demos here debate them and verbally brawl here. But if you want something to come into being that isnt allready, either you do it, or you pay someone to do it, or you wait for someone to get the idea and do it. This is a very fair response and one im sure you have heard numerous times here.

Zest : yes, we are retrograde and egocentric. We don't post lolcatz pictures, we don't post endless threads full of ideas that are everything but new and we make demos instead of talking about them. Sorry about that.

zest: so you're saying you just don't have the skills to make good demos? We're saying you don't have the skills to make good ideas! Surely there's some compromise here where you either make both or neither? :)

it's almost ironic (rather pathetic in a way too) to see that some 'oldskoolers' here who invested a great deal of their life into this thing called 'demoscene', still havent the slightest clue what the 'demoscene' actually IS ALL ABOUT.

keops: great but let other people talk about it, that's the basics of 'webocracy' ethics.

Zest calling us conceited but then thinking that his ideas are worth reading.

Impressive.

Zest, but "webocracy" sucks ass and hasn't got the slightest thing to do with the demoscene either.

that's exactly the main problem kb, demoscene should embrace webocracy :p

maali, sounds interresting. what is it all about says you?

in short: having fun and doing stuff with peeps who have a similar hobby. and let's leave politics and polemics to the big evil real world!

embrace, as in, rear naked choke ;0

the not so funny paradox is that it's apparently just a local microclimate on pouet bbs, as many of demosceners are also wikipedians, makers of tutorials or open-source software, experts on some technical boards or mailing-lists, or webadmins of sites exposing demos to the mass public.