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added on the 2009-08-04 20:11:47 by Hicks |
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Great.
added on the 2009-08-04 20:26:35 by Eldrik
Thumb up !
c00l show, nice music...
I watched and I loved ! Best demo ever seen on Amstrad CPC.
For EmuLovers, use Winape (2.0a17) with following settings : set CRTC 1 and "no Plus PPI emulation"
Watch it on a real CPC for maximum enjoyment !
For EmuLovers, use Winape (2.0a17) with following settings : set CRTC 1 and "no Plus PPI emulation"
Watch it on a real CPC for maximum enjoyment !
Best CPC demo by far!
Anyone have an idea on how I can run this on a Mac? ie. video plz ;)
Yes dudes !!!
what preacher said
It only work for a bit on the Arnold emulator in OS X, but what I saw was good enough for a thumb. Hoping for a video from a real machine.
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh
I'd say it's perfect but it doesn't work on my both real machines, the CRTC0 6128 and 6128 PLUS. Which is annoying. Who the hell has to get a CRTC1 machine only to watch this demo? It's stupid. Vanity, do (at least) CRTC0 fix, please ... If I had a CRTC2 CPC, I'd say OK ... But I own the most scene preferred CRTC machines, and it doesn't work on them. The CPC scene is small and this demo is so good, that it deserves to run on most CPCs. Btw. the only emul that runs this fine is WinApe :( It fucks up in Arnold on Mac OS X. Annoying again.
sweet
Looks pretty okay.
Drooling !!! Run it on real hardware. Emulators miss some CRTC technics...
Amazing work for CPC
Très bon Hicks, encore! Encore!
Amazing code, nice graphx, good music ! A perfect job guys ! I'm looking forward your next production.
Really impressive effects! Must see on real hardware!
It doesnt have a unique polish...but an unique french!....scroller. :) Factor6: All my original 6128 were CRTC 1...i had to "downgrade" them with a CRTC 0 ripped from a 464.... now i finnally i have a demo that runs only on it...total confusion... :D
Watcha ! 'culé ! The plasma sticked me ...
Thank you to have released it before I left home this time :)
Thank you to have released it before I left home this time :)
This prod kick asses !! :)
My only concern (which does not deserve a thumb down after all) is the CRTC1-only constraint : I had to enjoy watching the prod under emu, which considerably decrease overall interest (being a CRTC3 owner).
Great work ! I would love a ALL-CRTC version !
My only concern (which does not deserve a thumb down after all) is the CRTC1-only constraint : I had to enjoy watching the prod under emu, which considerably decrease overall interest (being a CRTC3 owner).
Great work ! I would love a ALL-CRTC version !
Cool!
saw just now and I must say that demo rulez :)
Great coding, great design and of course great music :) Congrats dudes!
Great coding, great design and of course great music :) Congrats dudes!
I have to deliver a message from Optimus. Since he has deliberately forgotten his password he can't comment. But for such an amazing surprise he broke the rules and asked me to write something for him instead:
"Finally, a CPC demo that is actually a real demo!!! What we ever needed. I thought I was watching a good quality prod like the ones on the C64. Multipart/trackmo style with good design/gfx/transitions, enough parts, overscan, good effects! Now it paid well I didn't had the CRTC 0 but the 1 instead. Never expected to see such a demo on CPC. Is it maybe time to raise the standards?"
"Finally, a CPC demo that is actually a real demo!!! What we ever needed. I thought I was watching a good quality prod like the ones on the C64. Multipart/trackmo style with good design/gfx/transitions, enough parts, overscan, good effects! Now it paid well I didn't had the CRTC 0 but the 1 instead. Never expected to see such a demo on CPC. Is it maybe time to raise the standards?"
Yeah!
beauty <3
Rocks!
didn't exactly like the soundtrack, but the gfx and effects ... just wow!
One of the best CPC Demos I've ever seen.
One of the best CPC Demos I've ever seen.
Not too fond of the soundtrack either, but this demo totally rocks.
how to get it run in winape ???
always tells me it needs crtc 1 to run ... but its set in the settings...
and please don´t flame me ... my cpc is broken !
:-(
always tells me it needs crtc 1 to run ... but its set in the settings...
and please don´t flame me ... my cpc is broken !
:-(
holy shit !!! as you can see ... i finally got it work...
awesome stuff !!! maximum respect we have a new aim for the cpc coders to top !!!
awesome stuff !!! maximum respect we have a new aim for the cpc coders to top !!!
Hicks - Beb: I am proud that you are both are CPC-users :) I admire your work!!! Congrats :)
Care to explain the differences between CRTC0, CRTC1 and CRTC2?
Like, is the CRTC1 more poweful than the basic CPC 6128 I had "back in the days"?
Like, is the CRTC1 more poweful than the basic CPC 6128 I had "back in the days"?
Nice!!! At last, a proper demo!!!
Is it possible on CPC to change the address of the video buffer during the VBL ? and what are the restrictions ?
keops> The only difference among the 3 CRTC's is that amstrad changed 3 different chip manufacturers in the life of the cpc. There aren't any technical differences, just different designs that timing critical software (demos) have bugs (out of sync screens, flickering etc...)if the creators doesn't fine tune their code for each one of the CRTC types...
well designed, seamless action, cool soundtrack
Amazing job. Well done BebHicks.
A like dtc super-plasma effect at beginning and some astonishing effects in a trackmo style. You've just to adapt it to all crtc (exception tolerated is 2...). The aim of a demo is to be watched on almost all real cpc...
p01> yes... more. you can change the address during the scan line (and also the screen resolution)
A like dtc super-plasma effect at beginning and some astonishing effects in a trackmo style. You've just to adapt it to all crtc (exception tolerated is 2...). The aim of a demo is to be watched on almost all real cpc...
p01> yes... more. you can change the address during the scan line (and also the screen resolution)
Most excellent, was it released at a party? if not you should have ;p
Very impressive ! Respect.
great and very smooth effects.
Just watched it here at work, great demo! Soundtrack rocks, graphics are very nice and so are the effects. One of the best CPC demos I've seen. To quote:
I did. :)
Quote:
"Watch'n'Love"
I did. :)
How do I start the demo in the emu?
Quote:
How do I start the demo in the emu?
run "-scratch"
@LogonSystem: Thanks.
That explains most of the effects then ;) and makes me wonder all the more why there hasn't been such prod on CPC before.
That being said, From Scracth is a great, clean and smooth prod. Good job guys.
That explains most of the effects then ;) and makes me wonder all the more why there hasn't been such prod on CPC before.
That being said, From Scracth is a great, clean and smooth prod. Good job guys.
Yeah, now we can thumb this up ;) Great work!
j00t00b link added. :)
tiresomely and boringly
Good job, indeed.
Some effects are too long on the screen but generally the visuals are most impressive after all. Like I used to say, the CPC has the most beautiful gfx among 8-bitters. This is the next proof.
"I thought I was watching a good quality prod like the ones on the C64" - don't make me laugh with their brown/magenta slideshows. No comparison at all.
As for music - it's simply BAD. Moreover - it's composed well but highly bad-arranged. My guess is: CPC still has no good tracker.
As for music - it's simply BAD. Moreover - it's composed well but highly bad-arranged. My guess is: CPC still has no good tracker.
wonderful!
Simply excellent.
the music sounded kinda annoying, still this kicks ass
Very good job!
looks and sounds good
rules.. love the style choices..
What abscess said about the C64 slideshows :) About the trackers, I think StarKos is on a very high level in comparsion with Speccy and C64 trackers. So this case is rather a question of composer, the tracker is very good.
Very impressive! Good effects and graphics and a lot of work has gone into the transitions (PC demomakers take note!).
The music was so shrill it nearly blew my eardrums, but I'm guessing this is the fault of the soundchip rather than the composer however.
The music was so shrill it nearly blew my eardrums, but I'm guessing this is the fault of the soundchip rather than the composer however.
Great work ! This is the first real polished demo I saw on CPC. Nice effects, nice transitions. For sure one of the best demo.
Shame it only work on CRTC 1. But your effect might be much harder to do on other CRTC... RVI rulez :)
Shame it only work on CRTC 1. But your effect might be much harder to do on other CRTC... RVI rulez :)
wow, this was really enjoyable.
You guys should do something for altparty and win that shit ;)
You guys should do something for altparty and win that shit ;)
Nice one.
breathtaking
gorgeous stuff, in every aspect !
kefBars went on a tad long, but are a good opener atleast !
i got surprised by the scroller-part, never saw it extended like this ! ( moving screen to even show some more of em ! ) -> next demo you should sine em per char !
stuff like this always makes me hungry to do some stuff on the given hardware aswell ( again ) ! -> gimme graphicians and more talent plz, haha :)
<3
kefBars went on a tad long, but are a good opener atleast !
i got surprised by the scroller-part, never saw it extended like this ! ( moving screen to even show some more of em ! ) -> next demo you should sine em per char !
stuff like this always makes me hungry to do some stuff on the given hardware aswell ( again ) ! -> gimme graphicians and more talent plz, haha :)
<3
Cool.
Fantastic.
Very nice transitions between effects
O_O
beautifuly directed.
beautifuly directed.
Neat.
Lovely! The part with the "vectors" near the end look exactly like I always wanted to do it on my Atari ;-)
nice fx and a horrible tune.
Wade: it has nothing todo with a chip. You can trust ME on it.
PostScriptum. However I agree the composition is OK. Simply more work with the instrument editor will be a good idea.
Good stuff!
"don't make me laugh with their brown/magenta slideshows. No comparison at all. "
have you seen the screenshot?
nice prod for a cpc
have you seen the screenshot?
nice prod for a cpc
Awful noise there but nice to see something like a demo on the CPC = thumb up.
For the platform, and a nice oldschooly feeling. I think it lingered a little bit too long on some effects but that is something that can be worked on for the next one.
The music wasn't great, but early ST demo acceptable, having had my eardrums blasted by several years of Mad Max YM tunes :-)
The music wasn't great, but early ST demo acceptable, having had my eardrums blasted by several years of Mad Max YM tunes :-)
Quote:
The next one will be all CRTC...
I take you at your words :)
this is really demoish, gratz!
Look what you have done! I have revived my passwort and joined again the pouet craze just to comment for you crazy demoh..
Things that don't show on emulator or youtube video but only on CRTC1 real CPC: 1) The transition from the credits screen to the big scroller, falling big tetris pieces (split rasters in front of colors, CRTC1 feature? Correct me..), 2) the vertical scroll on horizontal parallax scrolls doesn't fuck up.
Many people don't like the music from this one. It wasn't something that remains in my mind but I am ok with it.
Are the smooth 3d again done by line splitting or is it software rendered? I mean, having different versions of centered one color lines, from the smallest to longest and just choosing which to display for the 3d?
BRAVO!!!
Things that don't show on emulator or youtube video but only on CRTC1 real CPC: 1) The transition from the credits screen to the big scroller, falling big tetris pieces (split rasters in front of colors, CRTC1 feature? Correct me..), 2) the vertical scroll on horizontal parallax scrolls doesn't fuck up.
Many people don't like the music from this one. It wasn't something that remains in my mind but I am ok with it.
Are the smooth 3d again done by line splitting or is it software rendered? I mean, having different versions of centered one color lines, from the smallest to longest and just choosing which to display for the 3d?
BRAVO!!!
Optimus: Its only code animation with a second variable loop for the raster colors...
Its the same kind of code used for Twisters...
Its the same kind of code used for Twisters...
... and for the plasma at the begining, and the twisting bars, and the 1 millions tiny scrollers in this demo ;)
Does the address of the screen have to be on a special boundary ? ( e.g. 2, 4, 8, 256 bytes )
Can anyone point me to some HW infos about the CPC : instruction set and cycle, number of clock cycles per VBL, usefull addresses ( resolution, screen, palette, ... ). This demo got me curious about the CPC.
Does the address of the screen have to be on a special boundary ? ( e.g. 2, 4, 8, 256 bytes )
Can anyone point me to some HW infos about the CPC : instruction set and cycle, number of clock cycles per VBL, usefull addresses ( resolution, screen, palette, ... ). This demo got me curious about the CPC.
p01: The register for the pointer of graphics data is one byte...
For the rest you should check out [url]http://www.grimware.org/[url]
For the rest you should check out [url]http://www.grimware.org/[url]
Verdammt!
Hicks: Its 4Mhz...not 3,33, not 3,56...but 4! How can you forget it? :D...althrough many cycles are stolen from certain opcodes....So its not really always 4Mhz...
Thanks a lot guys! I more or less started on CPC 464 and 6128 when I was ~7yo but was way too young to fiddle in assembler and seek such information. It's only when I moved to STf/e and reach the age of 12 that I started to go assembler style and code for real ( synchronized code and the likes )
FYI I knew the graphic modes of the CPC, the number of colors , the amount of RAM and guessed the number of clocks cycles per VBL ( half that of the ST ;) ), but I know nothing of the HW registers and how often they can be poked.
Hicks: Consider your goal achieved.
Hicks: Consider your goal achieved.
@Exin: it's 4MHz, yeah, but the CPU is also continually slowed down by the video chip (even when it is displaying the border), hence the 3.3MHz weird frequency thing (which takes into account all the wait-states added by the video chip). It's just -never- 4MHz on the instruction-cycle side :)
Grimmy: Well, one nop is still just 4 cycles...so.... :D
unfortunately, we can't do demos only with NOPs. Hmm... Wait! I've just had a new demo-concept! :)
Finally, thumb up even for this screen :)
Btw. thx for telling the truth about 3.3MHz and slowing down of gfx chip.
Btw. thx for telling the truth about 3.3MHz and slowing down of gfx chip.
Well, its not as easy with 3,3Mhz. Its not about stealing cycles. The CRTC DMA has a static read timing which forces the CPU to work in certain boundaries. The Cpu can only access the databus every 4 cycles. So most Opcodes that are already divideable through 4 are not touched. Others that take a little longer...like one cycle, become 3 cycles larger because the next read of the CPU is in 3 cycles from then.
So, if someone ever speaks of NOP's, referring to the CPC, he means the length of opcodes...
If you wanna know which opcodes are untouched, read some manual about Z80 opcodes and divide cycle lengths through 4....sometimes its not that simple, i know. But shouldnt you be the one who defends the CPC, Grimmy? ;-)
So, if someone ever speaks of NOP's, referring to the CPC, he means the length of opcodes...
If you wanna know which opcodes are untouched, read some manual about Z80 opcodes and divide cycle lengths through 4....sometimes its not that simple, i know. But shouldnt you be the one who defends the CPC, Grimmy? ;-)
Actually, I never liked this 3.3MHz stuff as well (as you said, this is not a simple and regular slow down and also because this imaginary frequency comes from an obscure _average_ calculation...). However, it's simpler to use it for explaining that the CPU is not running at full speed rather than going through a bunch of techno-bables with T/M-cycles and wait-states. Remember this is pouet, not a datasheet, use your thumb, not your brain :)
Outch ! Méchante claque ;)
Cool!
Superb.
Absolutely brilliant! It's so nice to see a good new CPC release. :-)
congratulation guys! at last a demo not only for technical code lovers. A really good job!
Beb! i'm a big fan ;-) j'aimes beaucoup ce que vous faites.
Please people, if you saw this on emulator, don't speak about music and instruments, watch it on the real machine
Beb! i'm a big fan ;-) j'aimes beaucoup ce que vous faites.
Please people, if you saw this on emulator, don't speak about music and instruments, watch it on the real machine
Really great prod!
Congrats!
(question: how do you check for CRTC? It works as snapshot in my emulator, but from dsk, CRTC is detected bad)
Congrats!
(question: how do you check for CRTC? It works as snapshot in my emulator, but from dsk, CRTC is detected bad)
Asic and the others: thanks for the info.
I'm still not exactly sure how CRTC 1 exactly differs from CRTC 0 codewise and if it helps or not but the demo rules anyway :)
I'm still not exactly sure how CRTC 1 exactly differs from CRTC 0 codewise and if it helps or not but the demo rules anyway :)
http://pouet.net/gfx/titles/coupdecoeur.gif
lovely! Know nothing about CPC scene but this certainly satisfied!
I saw a lot af technical questions about the CPC hardware and coding. For CPC coding tutorials you can have a look à http://quasar.cpcscene.com (french-only).
Note: a full featured CRTC test is also available on theses pages.
Note: a full featured CRTC test is also available on theses pages.
No emulator can show the "tetris effect" and the grey scroller correctly!
BUT....
Thats history now ;-)
watch it completely HERE
WebCPC can show these effects now (Still not 100% accurate, but I am sure, I can improve this)
Register 6 rulez XD
BUT....
Thats history now ;-)
watch it completely HERE
WebCPC can show these effects now (Still not 100% accurate, but I am sure, I can improve this)
Register 6 rulez XD
Got REG6 full working now....
Who can help me to fix the GateArray rasters-timing bug?
[ulr][/url]
Great code & gfx !
I wanted to give it a heart but I might do when I reach 8192 and get another one.
Personally, it's the first time I see one that makes me say "Finally a CPC demo that is a DEMO in it's true sense". From the time I commented, I watch it once every day on my CRTC1 CPC. It is because for the first time it's not just technical or just gfx/design, it's both combined very well together in a complete megademo and especially the design element I have not see before in such a good way on a big demo. But the effects are at the same time fullscreen overscan at it's fullest too!
Personally, it's the first time I see one that makes me say "Finally a CPC demo that is a DEMO in it's true sense". From the time I commented, I watch it once every day on my CRTC1 CPC. It is because for the first time it's not just technical or just gfx/design, it's both combined very well together in a complete megademo and especially the design element I have not see before in such a good way on a big demo. But the effects are at the same time fullscreen overscan at it's fullest too!
toujours aussi lourdo le optimus :)
really good stuff
pure of love :D
scroller gallore :(
A youtube video that shows also the tetris pieces and some other minor things that couldn't be emulated before.
I'd like to know how they get the fill rate on some of the 3D
boah geil - nice transitions, hoverver the timing is a bit too slow sometimes (too much repetition of the twister and the fake rotator)
Yes, the twister bars effect takes a bit too long.
I think for the fast 3d it's the same concept as other effects (like the twister bars), having different lengths of rasterlines and chosing which to display in a line splitting mode or something. It looks big and smooth like hell for sure though.
I think for the fast 3d it's the same concept as other effects (like the twister bars), having different lengths of rasterlines and chosing which to display in a line splitting mode or something. It looks big and smooth like hell for sure though.
great
coder-p0rn plus love =
cette prod est une bombe !
Nice effects (displayed a bit too long for my taste), very nice graphics but average tune (just check any Atari or Spectrum 48k music disk).
Waw ! Is that my old cpc 6128 I used to have back in the days ?? I hardly recongnize it !
Excellent work !
I also think that 3d objects are actually rasters... Are there ?
Excellent work !
I also think that 3d objects are actually rasters... Are there ?
faraday: i'd say they are precalculated scanlines with various sized segments, that are then selected at display time at the begining of each scanline to make it look like a 3d object :)
that's pretty gnarly.
One of the greastest of the CPC !
Fuck yes :)
hot
Quite nice, but the music is a bit annoying imho.
Nice demo, some horrible parts on the soundtrack.
Amstrad SPC ! I learned about demoscene from this computer in 1990...
Now do the same on MO5 :)
A greet one !
Manwe: I think the real real name is Armstrad SPC. SuperSylvere ? you confirm ?
Manwe: I think the real real name is Armstrad SPC. SuperSylvere ? you confirm ?
Beautiful colours.
Very good demo, with some impressive technical parts.
Thanks to the guy who showed it at Main Party 2010 ;-)
Thanks to the guy who showed it at Main Party 2010 ;-)
Outch ! That's a piece of art (code,music,gfx).
Woaw!
Woaw!
Quite nice, shame about the music
nice demo !
music is cool...
music is cool...
Indeed nice! :)
nice
Very good and nice demo, even if do not like the music.
All new CPC demos must follow this scheme of having several effects dowloaded in one time
All new CPC demos must follow this scheme of having several effects dowloaded in one time
Rulez!
E-NORME!!!
Couleurs vibrantes, jolis effets, musique écoutable en boucle : une bien chouette prod ! Mille fois bravo.
gorgeous! Especially the 2nd half
nice
NI FU NI FA, SORRY VANITY!!!!!!
Souvenir. Kickass multi-fx demo (on CPC!) which I like more than Still Rising
Note: ok, as a firstie, CRCT1-only is forgiven.
Note: ok, as a firstie, CRCT1-only is forgiven.
Now that have a CRTC 1 I could enjoy it and the 30y megademo. Maybe my fav CPC demo, the multiscroller is almost like the X-large Spreadpoint demo, freaking good.
Vanity qui relance la scène Démo CPC.
Doesn't work on my 6128! Sorry!
Good effects, good tune, and good transitions. Definitely a winner in my book!
Being CRTC 1 only, it doesnt run on my machine. Reading the comments, my hopes were high. But I realized the demo is just a drag. Many of the presented parts are dragged out way longer than needed; although the little details and effort spend on transitions are rather nice. Piggie it is, unless it would run in the CRTC 0 :P
nice
i missed that one and it is very good
my CPC has still the wrong CRTC for this...
but now i got a MiSTer and could choose the fitting one ;-)
-> great demo!
but now i got a MiSTer and could choose the fitting one ;-)
-> great demo!
CRTC-1 FTW!
Cute
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